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General => Requests and Suggestions => Topic started by: atlantis on September 03, 2004, 02:56:29 am



Title: Audio Stream System
Post by: atlantis on September 03, 2004, 02:56:29 am
Hey Kailef, thought I'd post a bit about my ERR experience.

I love the songs that are played, but sometimes it's a bit slow. I'm on 56k and maybe that's the main reason, but Shoutcast radios (like Rakosh) work absolutely faster. They're easier to start up, directly from Winamp. You can do that here as well, though.

And, why don't the names of the song come within the player? Some radios have that, and it's so much easier.

Of course, those radios don't have an awesome community, playlist or request systems. ::)

Your request systems and CD covers, are they supported by Live365? It's so much difficult to get new listeners on Live365 (because of adverts). A Shoutcast server would be simpler.

That would also make ERR independant from Live365. I've read it's very easy and practical to set it up.

Just my thoughts, because my streams usually stop after about seven minutes or so...

Anyway, just minor stuff, ERR rules :D


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: Kailef on September 03, 2004, 07:15:38 am
Atlantis,

Actually, we used to use Shoutcast before!  I greatly prefer Shoutcast, and the company we used to run our relay (Fast-Serv) is absolutely fantastic.  In fact, I am still using them Fast-Serv...  that's where the ERR website is hosted.

The problem is this:  If we use Shoutcast, we then become an independent radio station instead of a radio station operating under the blanket royalty contract of Live365.  While that sounds good, here's the problem:  It costs an independent broadcaster of my size approximately $5000 US dollars a year just in royalty payments to BMI, ASCAP, etc...  That's a LOT of money.  When I stream through Live365, they pay all of my royalty fees.  That way, I only need to pay for hosting the website and for my streaming bandwidth, which right now is only about $500 a year.

I agree with you - Shoutcast is much easier to deal with, easier to launch, the artist and album name stream to Winamp, etc...  But it will also cost me a fortune.  I did, however, find a neat way that I might be able to start using Shoutcast again, through a company called SWCast.  I'll keep you posted.  (SWCast is a group of Shoutcast broadcasters who grouped together and formed their own blanket contract with ASCAP, BMI, and the rest of the major record labels.)


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: Kailef on September 03, 2004, 07:17:07 am
Oh, by the way, no - My request system and CD art covers, etc, are all handled by my personally owned streaming server and website.  That continues to work no matter who we stream through, Live365 or otherwise.   ;D


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: Sebastien on September 03, 2004, 07:19:20 am
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Oh, by the way, no - My request system and CD art covers, etc, are all handled by my personally owned streaming server and website.


since I'm a programmer, did you design that thing yourself
??? if yes I'll be quite happy to know how you did it  :P


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: Kailef on September 03, 2004, 09:08:50 am
Oh, goodness no, I didn't design it.  Well, sort of - I customized the default PHP page of SAM2, from Spatial Audio Solutions.  (SAM2 is the software that I use to stream)


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: atlantis on September 03, 2004, 03:29:13 pm
Great! :D Wow, call me stupid, but I didn't know you had to pay royalties for online radio  :o In that case, it's just a small problem. SWCast sounds great, though ;D

And wow, you've got a *very* complex system there. CD Covers, requests, playlists, links to stores... So you use the SAM2 PHP system?

I'm learning Perl as well (what this forum uses, and I love so much) and maybe I can design something like this later on. Umm... later on. ::)

@Sebastien: Wow, we've got all kinds of people here ;) What do you program? In UNIX? :) Let me guess... must be PHP!


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: Sebastien on September 03, 2004, 06:31:00 pm
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@Sebastien: Wow, we've got all kinds of people here ;) What do you program? In UNIX? :) Let me guess... must be PHP!


;D well not on Unix, and it's not really my job at the moment, since there's not room left in IT over here, but yes, my degrees are all in that way

:D php dev  ;D


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: atlantis on September 03, 2004, 06:36:54 pm
Wow. I considered PHP as well for programming but people told me it's mainly for web with database and stuff. So I went to Perl. ;D I got confused with all the talk of Apache, MySQL and stuff. I just wanted to hobby-program ;)


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: Sebastien on September 04, 2004, 05:33:14 am
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Wow. I considered PHP as well for programming but people told me it's mainly for web with database and stuff.


depends on what you want to do  :o...you can do a lot with php, but yes, it's mainly for web and it's often associated with a database  :D


Title: Re: Audio Stream System
Post by: atlantis on September 04, 2004, 03:10:35 pm
Right. I think I'll stay with Perl now, and of course learn some PHP sometime later ;D I downloaded a PHP tutorial as well (the official one) today and installed PHP and Win98. Let's see ;D