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Title: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Kailef on June 10, 2016, 07:54:14 pm
Question for everyone!

Should we drop Radionomy, or keep it?  It doesn't cost us anything to continue to use Radionomy, however, it is:

(A) Geoblocked in a variety of countries
(B) Requires us to keep the "Advert" songs in the queue

If we drop Radionomy, we can get rid of the Advert tracks completely.  We have to keep them if we're going to keep using Radionomy, becuase Radionomy plays their commercials over those Advert tracks.  So, everyone will keep hearing those same boring advert tracks on the SonixCast stream...

What do you think?  Let V and I know!


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: LadyWoreBlack on June 10, 2016, 08:00:26 pm
Drop it like a bad habit.  ;D It serves little purpose, especially the geo-blocking part.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on June 10, 2016, 08:03:08 pm
I would say drop Radionomy but perhaps we should spread this post around a bit because there are some listeners that stream through Radionomy because they are blocked from SonixCast. 

I'd wait a little bit more before deciding.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on June 10, 2016, 08:04:26 pm
We can always create more Adverts too.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: lady_chiviona on June 10, 2016, 11:18:18 pm
Please drop it :)
I hate those 'advert', I did pick this radio for 3 things : excellent music, not hearing the same piece of music 10 time a day and few/no advert. I do listen through tunein or sonixcast to avoid the real advert but now I can't hear any more the musics used as advert and begin to hate them :(
Music is on in the house at least 12hours/days... but those advert are now the most common reason why I turn off the radio and switch to my playlist


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: FeuerFrei- on June 11, 2016, 06:44:14 pm
Kill it with fire.

Who is getting blocked by Sonixcast though, are they pulling the same region restrictions radionomy is but for different countries?


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on June 11, 2016, 07:12:00 pm
I'd love for Radionomy to be dropped but we'd lose a handful of listeners.  I know we'll drop them inevitably, but I want to wait a bit more before we do to see if there are solutions for those that are blocked.  I don't know the reason why some are blocked on SonixCast.  I'm not convinced it's a country... could be their employer or another reason or two. :shrug:


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Kailef on June 11, 2016, 10:17:02 pm
Not too many people have noticed this poll.  We should probably paste the link in the shoutbox a few times next week, maybe?  I know there aren't too many of us around on weekends, but weekdays during prime time we should have at least a few notice it.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: FeuerFrei- on June 12, 2016, 01:37:41 pm
Another grievance to note with Radionomy and the 2 minute ad slots is that SAM will almost certainly butcher a "long-song" request. It has happened to me a few times already, and I just saw that it burned DarkSoul's Octavarium request.

IMO one of the great things of internet radio is that it is not OTA broadcast radio, allowing for less traditional "long-songs" that would never get airplay anywhere else. We need to hear our occasional "Octavarium", "The Odyssey", and so on.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: DarkSoul676 on June 12, 2016, 01:49:42 pm
Another grievance to note with Radionomy and the 2 minute ad slots is that SAM will almost certainly butcher a "long-song" request. It has happened to me a few times already, and I just saw that it burned DarkSoul's Octavarium request.

IMO one of the great things of internet radio is that it is not OTA broadcast radio, allowing for less traditional "long-songs" that would never get airplay anywhere else. We need to hear our occasional "Octavarium", "The Odyssey", and so on.

What Frei says is true, I attempted to play Octavarium and it cut right in the middle of the song for a 2 minute song clip, then completely skipped my pick. If Radionomy is just gonna cancel picks because according to them it's too long, then I say no thanks


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: mengeltjes on June 12, 2016, 11:38:42 pm
I know that Vlammie is having some issues with Sonixcast at 2 places she sometimes works at, so for her sake i'd say keep it a while.
As for me, I don't mind dropping it. Sonixcast seems a lot more stable.  ;D


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: xr27 on June 13, 2016, 12:25:45 am
I don't like these advert songs and I never got blocked. If I speak for myself.... drop it.
But 2016 was no good year for ERR. End of live 365, exploding costs, a new server with problems, changing streaming providers.

It would be nice if more listeners would answer this question.

I have one additional question. I had the idea to print some flyers and advertise on the next concerts or a metal club nearby. Is that good or bad for ERR?

 


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Warsheep on June 13, 2016, 12:48:15 am
I have one additional question. I had the idea to print some flyers and advertise on the next concerts or a metal club nearby. Is that good or bad for ERR?

Think big! Worldwide marketing campaign!


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on June 13, 2016, 01:18:37 am
I don't like these advert songs and I never got blocked. If I speak for myself.... drop it.
But 2016 was no good year for ERR. End of live 365, exploding costs, a new server with problems, changing streaming providers.

It would be nice if more listeners would answer this question.

I have one additional question. I had the idea to print some flyers and advertise on the next concerts or a metal club nearby. Is that good or bad for ERR?

 

High Five!  That's an awesome idea, XR!


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on June 13, 2016, 01:38:54 am
I don't like these advert songs and I never got blocked. If I speak for myself.... drop it.
But 2016 was no good year for ERR. End of live 365, exploding costs, a new server with problems, changing streaming providers.

It would be nice if more listeners would answer this question.

I have one additional question. I had the idea to print some flyers and advertise on the next concerts or a metal club nearby. Is that good or bad for ERR?

 

Many bumps, that's for sure, mainly through changes beyond our control.  However, ERR will prevail, and quite probably because of the support system in place by our Patreon members and with SonixCast as well, and to include a special mention of gratitude to FeuerFrei- for coding the new server.

Stay tuned!

Here's to an awesome ERR community!


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: xr27 on June 13, 2016, 03:40:33 am
I have one additional question. I had the idea to print some flyers and advertise on the next concerts or a metal club nearby. Is that good or bad for ERR?

Think big! Worldwide marketing campaign!

 ;D ;D I would make one but my finances and time are limited ;-)


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Muninn on June 13, 2016, 05:08:41 am
If we could get a word from a known metal-listening-big-name, the marketing would sustain itself.  ;D

As for Radionomy, I too will speak for myself: I would drop it since i'm geoblocked, but we should make sure we don't block other listeners in the process.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: FeuerFrei- on June 13, 2016, 05:56:17 pm
I know that Vlammie is having some issues with Sonixcast at 2 places she sometimes works at, so for her sake i'd say keep it a while.
As for me, I don't mind dropping it. Sonixcast seems a lot more stable.  ;D

I find it very odd that only "some" places in a region are blocked. Do we know if that is a matter of the country Vlammie living in being blocked, or her workplace having some sort of website firewall in place that blocks some time-wasting sites? For instance I know many people have to deal with having youtube blocked at work, but that is due to the workplace's IT, and not youtube's.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: mengeltjes on June 14, 2016, 12:04:19 am
I know that Vlammie is having some issues with Sonixcast at 2 places she sometimes works at, so for her sake i'd say keep it a while.
As for me, I don't mind dropping it. Sonixcast seems a lot more stable.  ;D

I find it very odd that only "some" places in a region are blocked. Do we know if that is a matter of the country Vlammie living in being blocked, or her workplace having some sort of website firewall in place that blocks some time-wasting sites? For instance I know many people have to deal with having youtube blocked at work, but that is due to the workplace's IT, and not youtube's.

I know the country Vlammie lives in, the Netherlands. But i don't think it is a geoblock but indeed a workplace block. Wich makes it strange that they don't block radionomy.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: surfie on August 03, 2016, 02:16:47 am
Hi fellow metalers,

I use to listen through Radionomy on my Android phone, but now the app is not available on the Google Play shop?
Any idea what happened, and how can I listen now?

Thanks.
Ty


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Kailef on August 03, 2016, 07:23:09 am
I'm not sure.  I just looked myself, and you're right, Radionomy (or Google themselves) have removed the Radionomy player from the Google Play store.  That's one of the problems I have with Radionomy, they have a tendency to change things and not tell anybody anything.

As an alternative, try this?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tunein.player

That's the TuneIn application.  If you install that and do a search for "Epic Rock Radio" you can use that program to stream Epic Rock Radio on your Android phone, instead.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Warsheep on August 03, 2016, 11:43:05 pm
Today an advert-song skipped Dream Theater's Octavarium when it still had 19 min to play!!!


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: surfie on August 04, 2016, 01:40:52 am
Thanks Kailef.

I also tried this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maxxt.pcradio
and it works.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on August 04, 2016, 08:33:05 am
An Advert will play every 20 minutes.  After it plays, the countdown begins again and if there are, say, 3 tracks that have played since the last advert and there are only 7 minutes left before the next advert plays and now Dream Theater (or another long song) is up, will only have 7 minutes to play before the next advert, cutting off that song.  I think this only happens to the very long songs though.

Anyway, that's how I see it.


Today an advert-song skipped Dream Theater's Octavarium when it still had 19 min to play!!!


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on August 04, 2016, 10:13:58 am
You'll especially notice this on Long Song Fridays.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Warsheep on August 04, 2016, 11:11:58 pm
It just killed Octavarium again, after 6 min this time  >:( :-\ :'(


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: FeuerFrei- on August 19, 2016, 07:43:40 pm
Friends don't let friends interrupt Octavarium...


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Kailef on August 19, 2016, 09:57:47 pm
I've modified the script to ignore the Radionomy's required advert time windows.  This may eventually result in our getting kicked from Radionomy if it misses too many advert windows.  The good news it that the system will no longer stop a long song to make sure that an advert plays within Radionomy's required time frame.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: ~V~ on August 20, 2016, 06:50:22 am
That's excellent news! 


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Gontrop on September 09, 2016, 04:10:19 am
Sorry for not dropping by the forum lately...
And i'm going to be honest and say that i did not read the whole post.

My opinion, Kay, is that you should not and you know why I say that. Even so apart my personal "need" i have some friends that found Epic Rock Radio through Radionomy. That means it gives us projection to the world.

You should analyse the subject. The question you must pose after all is not if you should drop Radionomy or not. The question you should be making is: What is the main reason to drop Radionomy.
The answer provided by most of the peeps is the same: "I'm tired of listening the same musics every hour." or "The musics repeat themselves many times!" and "The musics are interrupted by the adverts!".
Now... the main reason for the first 2 is that it must have a small group of musics to shuffle. With so many bands on the database i think we all could work and find a huge list of songs between 30 seconds and 1:30 minutes to use instead of adverts.
The other question you should ask is if you drop it, what is the downside of that. Simple question with simple answer. Mainly you'll lose a couple of listeners (that would really stay very sad and will eventually find another radio) and I think a bit most importantly you'll lose some results in searches like "Epic metal", "epic rock", etc. that brings people to ERR.

Either way I think you'll find the right choice for the radio and we'll have to cope with it...

I'm here for any help you need Kay, so feel free to ask.

Cya all ERR peeps!

Gontrop



PS: Once again sorry for my bad english since it's not my main one!



Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Kailef on September 09, 2016, 09:28:42 pm
I've actually made a change to the system that will cause the system to not skip over long songs for adverts any more, I'm not sure if that will hurt us in the long run or not, but I'm hoping that nobody at Radionomy notices that we occasionally miss one of the advertisement spots.  :-)

I'm also trying to come up with a way that we can just make Radionomy play the advert track without our having to play the advert songs.  The problem with that is that it would cause the commercials to cover up two minutes of the music, but it would make the people who don't listen to Radionomy never hear Advert tracks any more.

(The Advert tracks have to be exactly 2 minutes, by the way, at least that's what Radionomy says. I don't know what happens if they are not)


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Gontrop on September 10, 2016, 03:04:44 am
I've actually made a change to the system that will cause the system to not skip over long songs for adverts any more, I'm not sure if that will hurt us in the long run or not, but I'm hoping that nobody at Radionomy notices that we occasionally miss one of the advertisement spots.  :-)

I'm also trying to come up with a way that we can just make Radionomy play the advert track without our having to play the advert songs.  The problem with that is that it would cause the commercials to cover up two minutes of the music, but it would make the people who don't listen to Radionomy never hear Advert tracks any more.

(The Advert tracks have to be exactly 2 minutes, by the way, at least that's what Radionomy says. I don't know what happens if they are not)

Let's wait some time then... we'll see if you get any notice from them.
Meanwhile i'll see if i can find 2 mins songs on my prefered bands. i'll send you a list if i find some!

Gontrop


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Djbj on September 12, 2016, 04:26:14 pm
I found a track that can be used as an advert: "Sacrapos - At First Glance" by Eluveitie. It's a 2:01 long intro track.

Edit: Another possible one is Skiltron - "St. Patrick's Death" [Instrumental] 2:02


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: sdev on September 19, 2016, 05:37:33 am
Yea that Gypsy song is starting to get pretty annoying to hear several times a day  ;)


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Warsheep on September 27, 2016, 12:09:20 am
From what i've read this week so far, there are many radionomy listeners who can't hear ERR because R. is playing a different station on this stream.


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Kailef on September 27, 2016, 06:44:37 pm
One of the wonderful joys of Radionomy.  We're being punished for not following their stupid rules, I think.  I'll see if I can fix it.  :-(


Title: Re: Should we drop Radionomy?
Post by: Miloware on September 29, 2016, 12:18:49 am
Unfortunately I have to answer no, but for a very simple reason.
Radionomy i s the only stream that works for me, and thereis no other way to listen to ERR  :-\